Information InFiltration. Tech<=>art<=>tactical<=>media<=>culture++

front page???E.A.Dobbsreview-a-rama

secret room upstairsFilterItYourselfwhatever
FReeCognize Me..? | 5 comments
[new] german crimenology of possibility (Avg. Score: none / Raters: 0) (#5)
by GabrielPickard on Wed Oct 8th, 2003 at 03:20:06 PM EURODISCORDIA TIME
(User Info)

Thanx for the comment, Geert!

I got it that you don't want to get into too much of a meta-theory about free movement&communication. So it's just a practical link that doesn't need too much explaining, right? But allow me as a (semi)teutoniac to pose a few more concerning the analogy and potentiality:
So does the analogy maybe partially lie in the fact that both issues are about movement and flow in an infrastructure, a medium? Both issues have always been there - of course people have always been migrating, moving and certainly, everyone is communicating - but (i'd just estimate, maybe) in the last 40 years the media/infrastructures have changed and expanded greatly - which makes mobility and communication out to be the most important developments that make people "feel modernity" in their lives. Be they rich or be they poor. (and sorry that i used this "people who haven't used a telephone" metaphor - but i didn't use the buzzphraze digitial divide here..). Whereas i would still contend that there is a minority in world population (nevertheless probably a "vast minority") who are really very greatly concerned with other things - but possibly this is beside the point. No problem with having problems with class-concepts, Geert, i was only interpreting (or "extrapolating") ;-} The rest of the people are mainly "struggling", i would say, and this struggle will also involve these means of modernity - as they fit and are made to fit into their lives. Because, to my mind, the new technological side to the media they migrate and communicate in, is often introduced by the power-(super)structure. (Even the wide spread of TV and Coca-Cola culture can be seen as a colonization via technology of cultural fabric.) And then of course, borders come along.. Which creates problems, struggle and enpowerment (?). But i do not see that "borders" (possibly IP regimes) are being addressed as a problem to everyday lives (there is an equivalent of censorship forming along some national boundaries though.. one should only think of the recent yahoogroups-shutdown in India).

..OK, just one more concerning the gaze deep into the heart of our activists; I might myself feel guilty on that X-ray.. ;-} Yea, well - it does sound a bit blunt and polemic at first. But i do get your point - it is a very basic problem. And an old problem, right? Or are you witnessing a new wave of statism? If it is an old problem, we might think about finding new answers to that home-sweet-home drive. Please, no anarchist-revival preaching... ;-}

cheers, g*

[ Parent ]

[new] need to communicate (Avg. Score: none / Raters: 0) (#2)
by Aileen on Sun Oct 5th, 2003 at 07:30:33 PM EURODISCORDIA TIME
(User Info)

Recently I have noticed some changes in the neighborhood where I live, and reading this makes me wonder how the idea of freedom may or may not be related to those changes.

Along the main road that carries far too many cars into the city, where the traffic situation makes it almost impossible for most businesses to survive, long empty shops have recently been converted into makeshift "centers", sparsely furnished with rickety chairs and a few ugly metal tables, offering telephone, fax and Internet services in signs hand-written onto the large window fronts. There are several of these centers along this street, and when I walk past there are always people gathered there. This neighborhood has an unusually diverse population, for various reasons, but most people in this area come from "somewhere else", many of them from different countries all over the world. It doesn't seem unlikely that many of the people found gathering in these new centers have a need to communicate with other people not physically within reach.

This is not a political project - not as far as I know, but I don't understand any of the languages I hear being spoken by people going in and out. I see no sign of artists or activists here, just small business enterprises supplying something for which there is obviously a demand.

Yesterday evening I had a long conversation with a woman, who has never had any contact with the Internet, no interest in learning to use it. She has no motivation to do so. She is quite content in the little town in Austria, where she has lived all her life, all her relatives and friends easily within driving, if not walking distance, information about local concerns readily available - enough to satisfy her in any case. She has no ties to the country that her mother left as a child, she feels no need to communicate with people who are somewhere else.

How does freedom of movement and freedom of communication relate to a need to communicate? There are many different reasons why people end up "somewhere else". Because of the neighborhood where I live, but most of all because I have two children who have always connected with other children that speak different languages (as well as identifying me as a foreigner in public, because they don't speak German with me, no matter where we are), I have heard so many different stories about how different people (especially women with children) have ended up here in Austria. "Freedom of movement" doesn't seem quite adequate to me in many cases. And I am not quite sure what "freedom of communication" could mean in this context, but I think the concept of freedom has to be broad enough to allow for different kinds of needs and different possibilites for meeting those needs. Trying to define categories, whether of a "digital divide" or "classes", seems less important to me than understanding - but understanding both respectfully and critically - which real needs real people have, in order to find possibilities for meeting them.

[ Parent ]


FReeCognize Me..? | 5 comments


[- how to post and vote
[- faq (discordia q&a)
[- faq en español
[- search
[- send feedback

[- sick of english?
[- multi-lingual babelfilter

[- Username
[- Password

Make new account >>

Stories, articles, images and comments are owned by the Author. The Rest © 2003 The Discordants under the Gnu Public License

submit story | create account | faq | search